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Member Jun 21st, 2021 Posts: 36 Pixpets: 181 Pixdex: 68 | 2 Years ago Sep 4th, 2021 - 3:20 PM Nr. 1 #40764 4Give us the option to bid anonymously, or make all bidders anonymous, when we're not the host. Then replace the outbid message to reflect that. I see a lot of hostility, passive-aggression and spite coming from being able to see each other's names. This means the one hosting the auction still sees all the names, but that the ones who make the bid don't see the names of other bidders. |
Member Jul 14th, 2019 Posts: 155 Pixpets: 194 Pixdex: 130 | 2 Years ago Sep 5th, 2021 - 2:32 AM Nr. 2 #40795 Never encountered this, but the oppesite acually. i had several PMs with people who bid with me on the same item of multiple people so we just agreed that we dont fight for two of these items so each of us could get one But i can see it happening, tho thats less an auction issue and more people taking this way too seriously, if you get a PM with hate over bidding, i would just report that user |
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Member Early Adopter Forum Super Moderator Apr 6th, 2018 Posts: 1565 Pixpets: 322 Pixdex: 157 | 2 Years ago Sep 5th, 2021 - 3:59 AM Nr. 3 #40796 1@Manah This is a popular (and understandable) suggestion, and I've personally seen the animosity between players that you're talking about. At the moment I'm on the fence about anonymous bidding though, because someone brought up a great point that I agree with, which is that I'd like to be able to know if I'm bidding against new players, so I can give them a fair chance at winning auctions. At the same time I get where you're coming from, and I don't think that anyone is taking the game too seriously if they're frustrated by auctions. Pixpet has a small community, so you're often bidding against the same users, day after day, unlike eBay (which has anonymous bidding, incidentally). You get to know their bidding behaviors. They become like roommates. Also, it can be argued that the competitive aspect of auctions is only fun if you're rich. I'm open to hearing different opinions about that, though. TL;DR I think a good compromise would be to have anonymous bidding as an option that you can toggle on or off in your user settings. Thank you for the suggestion! |
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Member Jun 21st, 2021 Posts: 36 Pixpets: 181 Pixdex: 68 | 2 Years ago Sep 5th, 2021 - 5:21 AM Nr. 4 #40797 1Quote by: @BK47 Manah At the moment I'm on the fence about anonymous bidding though, because someone brought up a great point that I agree with, which is that I'd like to be able to know if I'm bidding against new players, so I can give them a fair chance at winning auctions. I've had veteran players outbid 1000 coins to flex their wealth against us poorer players and then consistently outbid me on any other auctions. Like if they saw my name they'd outbid by hundreds or 1000. It's becoming very unfun and unfriendly after a while... I did not report because I was told it was part of the game and within the rules, so I just left it alone. |
Member Early Adopter Forum Super Moderator Apr 6th, 2018 Posts: 1565 Pixpets: 322 Pixdex: 157 | 2 Years ago Sep 5th, 2021 - 6:24 AM Nr. 5 #40798 @Manah I think what Yubelchen meant was that if a player contacted you directly to intimidate or threaten you out of bidding on a particular auction, that would be worthy of a report. And that's correct. If someone told you that this was allowed, they're very wrong (and if it was a staff member who told you this, I'd love to know who). And it's true, unfortunately there are endgame players who don't care who they bid against. A while ago I had suggested dividing up the markets by game progress, so that new players would only be able to bid against other new players, and so on. However this probably wouldn't be good for the economy because of how small the community is; we'd end up seeing even emptier markets than we already have. Plus if you found a newly-released item as a new player, you wouldn't be able to peddle it off to rich players with this type of system, and that wouldn't be any fun. I'm thinking maybe rather than dividing up the markets by game progress, we could have something sort of similar to that, like an AI feature that waits until there are a certain number of bidders on an auction, then reads the wallets of all bidders and averages them together to determine a "cap" that will auto-block players who have more money than the cap. If that makes sense. I realize it's not a perfect idea either and there'd be ways to exploit it. I'll have to think about it more. Either way, the auctions favoring endgame players has been a hotly debated subject for a while, and I agree that something needs to be done about it at some point. You might already know that the development of Pixpet Adventure is a priority right now, so if this gets addressed it'll most likely happen sometime after official launch and when Adventure is more stable and bug-free. I'm really sorry that the auctions have been unfun for you. If you ever need help getting something and haven't had any luck in auctions or usershops, please let me know and I'll see what I can do. Of course, I can't always give players everything they ask for, but if you're at the end of your rope and really need something, don't be afraid to ask! |
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Member Jun 21st, 2021 Posts: 36 Pixpets: 181 Pixdex: 68 | 2 Years ago Sep 5th, 2021 - 3:15 PM Nr. 6 #40799 1@BK47 Unfortunately I think I'll stop using the auction house altogether if there is no way for me to bid anonymously. I will disclose that I considered quitting completely after I made the mistake joining the Discord and got harassed by throwaway accounts offsite. Absolutely vile things. Now that they know my discord username, I'm still getting invites from these guys. The reason I still have invites on is because I also run a Discord community. That is all I can say. I don't want them to escalate. If a few people want to have the monopoly in this game they can have it, I will start seeking greener pastures unfortunately. The auction house is PVP. And PVP often fosters toxic hostility in communities. I've seen it happen elsewhere, but was hoping here would be safer. Back to productive thoughts. Another suggestion I have is putting user shops more on the forefront. Let sellers shout out their products once every few days. Let buyers post wanted listings so that sellers can stock on these things or put their offer somehow. I personally completely forget user shops exist because they feel rather huddled away. |
Member Site Artist Aug 19th, 2019 Posts: 199 Pixpets: 240 Pixdex: 162 | 2 Years ago Sep 5th, 2021 - 3:54 PM Nr. 7 #40800 1I support anonymous purchases in general, both in auctions as well as usershop. Moreover, I think we should not only be able to get more usershop slots, but also usershop should take tax like auctions do. On flight rising, all auction house purchases are anonymous except for dragon purchases which unfortunately can not be made truly anonymous, and it does cause harassment occasionally; meanwhile, being able to buy other things anonymously has not posed any issues at all If there is concern about not knowing whether the person you're bidding against is a new or old player, maybe their join date could be visible? Not the exact day but rather month/year? That's a possibility. And well other than that, an auction system is what it is, and any sort of sales system will ultimately and inevitably be in favour of richer players. Usershop daily purchase limit helps a little bit but you can still buy 3/5 of someone's usersales in just one day, and come back for the rest on the next, which is why I think more slots would help Anyway I'm kinda rambling now but these are my thoughts! |
Member Early Adopter Forum Super Moderator Apr 6th, 2018 Posts: 1565 Pixpets: 322 Pixdex: 157 | 2 Years ago Sep 5th, 2021 - 4:01 PM Nr. 8 #40801 @Manah Am I understanding that you joined the Pixpet Discord, and then were harassed via DMs over your use of the auctions here? If so, that's extremely serious and something I would have to report immediately, since there's a possibility that this could be happening to other users. We definitely don't allow that kind of behavior, and I'm mortified that you experienced that. If you still have the messages you received, I'd greatly appreciate if you could get screenshots of them, and PM them to me. I understand you said that they were throwaway accounts, but it's still important that we have screenshots of this type of incident. You're right that the PvP features are often plagued by toxic behavior. But whoever messaged you shouldn't have taken it as far as they did; that's not okay and we don't allow that. As for letting players advertise their usershops, we actually do have that! I don't know if you've seen the Dealers Den here in the forums, but it's for the exact purpose you're describing. You can either advertise your usershop, list additional goods for sale (like an extended usershop), or announce what you're currently looking for. The discord also has a dealers den, but I understand if that doesn't interest you. Thank you for all the feedback you've given so far, it really helps us. |
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Member Jun 21st, 2021 Posts: 36 Pixpets: 181 Pixdex: 68 | 2 Years ago Sep 5th, 2021 - 4:42 PM Nr. 9 #40802 @BK47 Sadly these were throwaway accounts, had gibberish numbers and letters as usernames. These throwaways weren't on Pixpet discord, but someone must have seen me from there? Whoever it is, they covered up their trail really well. I'm sorry I don't have more info to give, I fear they could hack my Discord and it's really prized to me... Oh I meant more of a megaphone feature. The forums and Discord tend to be very quiet. But I will try out the forum to ask for items I want to buy. |
Member Early Adopter Forum Super Moderator Apr 6th, 2018 Posts: 1565 Pixpets: 322 Pixdex: 157 | 2 Years ago Sep 5th, 2021 - 5:07 PM Nr. 10 #40803 Quote by: @Manah @BK47 Sadly these were throwaway accounts, had gibberish numbers and letters as usernames. These throwaways weren't on Pixpet discord, but someone must have seen me from there? Whoever it is, they covered up their trail really well. I'm sorry I don't have more info to give, I fear they could hack my Discord and it's really prized to me... Oh I meant more of a megaphone feature. The forums and Discord tend to be very quiet. But I will try out the forum to ask for items I want to buy. Even though they were throwaway accounts, I'd still very much appreciate if you could provide screenshots of the messages (if you still have them). It would still help us greatly. If you fear your Discord account being hacked, do you have two-factor authentication enabled? If not, I recommend it. And if one of these people has threatened to hack your Discord account, I would report it to Discord Support. I understand that you're afraid, but the only way to have any chance of stopping harassment is to report it. And you'd also be helping to prevent this from happening to other players, too. Ah, I see -- yeah, we don't have something like a shoutbox for usershops. I think that could be possible as long as players were limited in what they could say with it, to prevent abuse. |
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Member Online Aug 25th, 2019 Posts: 98 Pixpets: 149 Pixdex: 160 | 2 Years ago Sep 5th, 2021 - 6:50 PM Nr. 11 #40804 Perhaps something to kiiiinda prevent older players from ruining the bidding would be forbidding to add 1000+ coins at once? Give the bidding a limit, just like there is a minimum of how low you can go. I know it probably won't do much because they'll still be able to add over time... But it's still not outright? |
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Member Mar 26th, 2019 Posts: 80 Pixpets: 49 Pixdex: 55 | 2 Years ago Sep 5th, 2021 - 11:13 PM Nr. 12 #40805 2Quote by: @Manah I've had veteran players outbid 1000 coins to flex their wealth against us poorer players and then consistently outbid me on any other auctions. Like if they saw my name they'd outbid by hundreds or 1000. It's becoming very unfun and unfriendly after a while... Not to be "that guy" but I am a person that bids large amounts. I can 100% assure you that people that bid 1000+ coins like myself are because I have more money than I have time to keep adding the minimum bid. I don't do it to "flex" on people. I certainly don't look at someone's name and then say "screw that guy" and bid just to spite them. That would be silly. Even as an endgame player, the market is still rather frustrating though I've grown to like it as my purchasing power has increased. The system of progression was really fun, but it's a delicate balance that's going to continue to need tweaking over time. That said, I'm 100% for anonymous bidding if people want to do that. :) It's a great idea. But also even when I was a beginning player and the market was WAY more competitive than it is now, I never had any issues with people messaging me, harassing me, etc. That's an issue that moderation needs to solve and is separate entirely from the auction system. |
Member Jun 21st, 2021 Posts: 36 Pixpets: 181 Pixdex: 68 | 2 Years ago Sep 5th, 2021 - 11:40 PM Nr. 13 #40806 1@BK47 Unfortunately I don't have any screenshots, but if it happens again I will see what I can do! Also part of the reason I'm scared is because several of my friend's discord accounts were compromised lately, my livelihood is on it and that's why I'm mostly just praying it passes over @Klaora Hey if you're not doing it to flex, then it is not directed at you personally! I never seen you outbid me either, not as consistently as some did. But some have been a bad sport about it, I won't say names though. It's just not a 100% assurance that it is always done as good intention. Granted, I should have added the keyword "some" to the quoted area, as I definitely don't think ALL players do it. I am glad others didn't have to see the mean messages, and I don't want to go into that problem too much, but these things can and do happen is all. The only reason I mentioned it here in the first place was that it was a consequence of lack of anonymity in bidding. Back to the topic, I think we can agree that there needs to be some improvements in the auction system? |
Member Dec 24th, 2018 Posts: 85 Pixpets: 184 Pixdex: 136 | 2 Years ago Sep 6th, 2021 - 12:45 AM Nr. 14 #40808 1I support the anonymous bidding as well, though so far I had only had one user message me with a threat on outbidding that person. Though I am one of the people who doesn't care if they bid on all the auctions that I bid in to "steal" them from me since I bid for minimum profit on pixpets eggs out of boredom. Also from what I have seen in the pixpet egg bids it is midlevel players in medium size homes that have been flexing that 1000 pixcoin increase on common pixpet eggs. The users were in renovated farm houses and lower. I was always confused why some of those eggs that are common hoard drops with nothing special for IDs were going for 1000+ |
Member Aug 25th, 2019 Posts: 159 Pixpets: 177 Pixdex: 161 | 2 Years ago Sep 6th, 2021 - 7:17 PM Nr. 15 #40810 1Quote by: @ShadowWolf I support the anonymous bidding as well, though so far I had only had one user message me with a threat on outbidding that person. Though I am one of the people who doesn't care if they bid on all the auctions that I bid in to "steal" them from me since I bid for minimum profit on pixpets eggs out of boredom. Also from what I have seen in the pixpet egg bids it is midlevel players in medium size homes that have been flexing that 1000 pixcoin increase on common pixpet eggs. The users were in renovated farm houses and lower. I was always confused why some of those eggs that are common hoard drops with nothing special for IDs were going for 1000+ I believe some of them may be doing it to fully secure said egg? Whenever I join a game I tend to grind for tons of money fast and then look at my inventory, go "Hmmm, I am missing X or Y or Z" and then secure bid in auctions. Something this even works as a method in real life related auctions, so I can see how a bunch of new users could use the same tactic. It can make them appear at first glance to be someone you may not want to bid against as they could easily outbid you. Then you get to check their page and see that they probably bid their entire household for that one auction lol Also to add on the first topic, I am in favour of anonymous bidding as a toggle option as I am sure some of us would like to keep it visible. |
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Member Early Adopter Forum Super Moderator Apr 6th, 2018 Posts: 1565 Pixpets: 322 Pixdex: 157 | 2 Years ago Sep 6th, 2021 - 9:59 PM Nr. 16 #40811 2@Manah Well, thank you for mentioning what you experienced on Discord -- we'll definitely be keeping an eye out now. If it happens again, please don't hesitate to notify either Takkju or myself (I report to Takkju anyway, so it may be quicker to tell him, lol). Also, after reading other opinions here, I'd like to add something to my previous suggestion about having a toggle option for anonymous bidding. An option that only turns on anonymous bidding for an individual wouldn't necessarily protect them from toxic behavior, since other players can still see usernames. So maybe there could be two separate toggle options, one that makes all usernames anonymous, and one that specifically makes your own username anonymous to other players. Something like this: Note: game moderators will still see all usernames in auctions. Make all auction bids anonymous to me only Make my auction activity anonymous to others This way people have a choice of privacy while still being able to see others' names if they want to. |
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Member Jun 21st, 2021 Posts: 36 Pixpets: 181 Pixdex: 68 | 2 Years ago Sep 6th, 2021 - 11:19 PM Nr. 17 #40812 @BK47 Thank you for keeping an eye out and I hope no one else has to encounter it. I really like the two toggles, I think it will ease a lot of anxiety players may have |
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