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Member Sep 26th, 2023 Posts: 32 Pixpets: 107 Pixdex: 82 | 6 Months ago Nov 6th, 2023 - 11:38 PM Nr. 1 #46362 1Hello! Is it possible to have an option to withdraw our own bids from an auction? I keep bidding on stuff that I later find another auction for that same thing I already had bid on. I'm trying to not outbid people if there's more than one of the same offer so we can all get what we want! |
Member Mar 8th, 2019 Posts: 116 Pixpets: 75 Pixdex: 68 | 6 Months ago Nov 8th, 2023 - 1:21 PM Nr. 2 #46366 2I like this idea. 1. It's nice when people notice other low-price auctions of the same item, and become concerned for the people they were bidding against, and would rather forfeit the auction they're on and go elsewhere. 2. The option to withdraw from an auction could help in case an auction lasts for 9 days and you change your mind during this period, you can just withdraw. Then again, it depends on who you ask whether it's a good or bad thing, because as things are now, once an auction gets one bid, you know you're selling that item. With this change, you won't know this until the auction ends. 3. The community is small so I don't see trolling/harassment happening by adding and withdrawing bids, however this becomes a possibility if this were implemented. |
Member Early Adopter Forum Super Moderator Apr 6th, 2018 Posts: 1568 Pixpets: 322 Pixdex: 157 | 6 Months ago Nov 8th, 2023 - 7:39 PM Nr. 3 #46367 1Sorry for the late reply, I had to think about this one for a bit xD I like the idea and I completely understand the frustration of bidding on something and then finding a much cheaper auction for the same item, or just wanting to avoid bid wars. I think the first question that needs to be answered though is what happens when someone cancels a bid, but the most recent bidder before them can't afford their bid anymore? The way that our bidding system works is by taking PC from you temporarily until another player outbids you, so canceling bids can potentially cause a mess if previous bidders can't afford their bids. The way that this could be avoided is by coding it so that the system selects the most recent bidder who can afford their bid, but I'm not sure how complicated that would be for the coder. I also think bidders should still have some accountability placed on them, i.e. rather than being able to withdraw a bid at any time, bidders would have a period of about 6 hours (or whatever) after bidding in which they could retract their bid. After that time is up, their bid would be locked in. This way sellers can still have some certainty that their item will be sold, and buyers have some time to change their mind. I also don't feel right about someone being able to retract their bid if they're currently the only bidder. I can see this causing a lot of frustration for sellers. I think the way that Ebay handles this is by letting the bidder request a cancelation from the seller (and providing a reason), but I could see that causing resentment on pixpet, especially if the seller denies the request. So I'm not really sure how this could be rectified in a way that's satisfactory for both parties. I'm open to ideas. In terms of notifications, I think the seller and the most recent bidder before the canceled bid deserve to be notified when there's a withdrawn bid, but that raises the issue of notification spam. Of course it would ideally be a toggleable notif, but then I'm imagining a scenario where players have it toggled off, and it causes confusion over who the most recent bidder is and how much PC the seller will actually make from their auction. I'm open to ideas here too. This is less important to players, but on the moderation side, imo auctions should show a history of who's canceled their bid -- just in case of harassment. All in all, I think withdrawing bids could work if coded correctly and with fairness in mind! |
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Member Mar 8th, 2019 Posts: 116 Pixpets: 75 Pixdex: 68 | 6 Months ago Nov 8th, 2023 - 8:51 PM Nr. 4 #46369 2I like the 6 hour window idea, and then being locked in to the auction. Alternatively if we don't go the route of placing accountability on bidders, then perhaps the withdraw bid option can have a cooldown period, so you can withdraw your bid only once every 6 hours from the entire auction house. This would benefit keeping harassment to a minimum? The idea of being locked in after 6 hours seems more fair to all parties. An idea about the previous bidder not being able to afford the auction anymore is that either everyone's, or the last two people's PC stays taken away until the auction ends, rather then until they're outbid. Or after you place a bid, the previous bidder's PC will stay taken away for the duration of 6 hours. After 6 hours the next bid becomes obsolete, and thw previous person's PC is returned to them. Worth mentioning but it should probably only be possible to withdraw your last bid. If you bid on one auctions 7 times, you probably shouldn't be able to withdraw any bids except your very last one (provided there is nobody above you) |
Member Sep 26th, 2023 Posts: 32 Pixpets: 107 Pixdex: 82 | 6 Months ago Nov 8th, 2023 - 9:22 PM Nr. 5 #46370 1I read everyone's replies and here's what I think: I think the first question that needs to be answered though is what happens when someone cancels a bid, but the most recent bidder before them can't afford their bid anymore? I like @TailedThief 's idea for this one. Everyone's bids gets taken until the auction ends. Seems the most fair solution! I also think bidders should still have some accountability placed on them, i.e. rather than being able to withdraw a bid at any time, bidders would have a period of about 6 hours (or whatever) after bidding in which they could retract their bid. After that time is up, their bid would be locked in. This way sellers can still have some certainty that their item will be sold, and buyers have some time to change their mind. I think a period of 24 or 48 hours would be better (1 day or 2 days) to adjust to everyone's schedules. Then again, that depends on the auction's time. Auctions that take 1 or 2 days would have a lower grace period to withdraw. I think the snipeguard is a good example of how this could be implemented. I also don't feel right about someone being able to retract their bid if they're currently the only bidder. If someone is the only bidder, they wouldn't get the option to cancel. This would help avoid stressful situations for both parties. In terms of notifications, I think the seller and the most recent bidder before the canceled bid deserve to be notified when there's a withdrawn bid, but that raises the issue of notification spam. Of course it would ideally be a toggleable notif, but then I'm imagining a scenario where players have it toggled off, and it causes confusion over who the most recent bidder is and how much PC the seller will actually make from their auction. I'm open to ideas here too. Toggleable notifications would be the best way to go about this! If the seller wants to know who's the most recent bid they can look at their auction on the Market Watch page. This is less important to players, but on the moderation side, imo auctions should show a history of who's canceled their bid -- just in case of harassment. Agreed! Worth mentioning but it should probably only be possible to withdraw your last bid. If you bid on one auctions 7 times, you probably shouldn't be able to withdraw any bids except your very last one (provided there is nobody above you) Agreed as well! Alternatively if we don't go the route of placing accountability on bidders, then perhaps the withdraw bid option can have a cooldown period, so you can withdraw your bid only once every 6 hours from the entire auction house. This would benefit keeping harassment to a minimum? I like the idea of a cooldown! I think the best way to approach this would be to let the parties involved (sellers and bidders) know about how the withdrawing works. For sellers, it'd be something like a text box saying the bidders can withdraw their bids and the time frame they can, and how the money would be handled during these movements. For bidders, it'd tell them they can withdraw their bid within a certain time limit and about the cooldown they'll be facing if they choose to withdraw the bid. Specifically for bidders, I think it'd be nice to show this possibility before they place a bid, rather than showing it when they're going to withdraw. They'll have more information to make better decisions that way. All of this is open to discussion! Thanks for listening :) |
Member Administrator Sep 26th, 2018 Posts: 417 Pixpets: 262 Pixdex: 60 | 6 Months ago Nov 9th, 2023 - 3:25 AM Nr. 6 #46372 2Thank you for this thoughtful and explanative suggestions from all of you regarding this. Will deliberate on this. |
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